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Jan 4, 2010

Faurisson-Porter exchange -- Re: Fritz Berg's Sanity Test

 

Dec. 26, 2009

Fritz Berg's Sanity Test

Well, I have been showing excellent Nazi gas chambers for years--including the railroad delousing tunnels--but also ordinary 10-cubic meter delousing gas chambers which certainly could have been used for mass murder as well. For the railroad delousing tunnels, corpses could have been removed, still inside the railroad cars within about one hour. 

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From: carlos porter <carloswporter@yahoo.es>
Date: Sun, Dec 27, 2009 at 8:15 PM

Subject: Re: Fritz Berg's Sanity Test

It could be done but you would still have to ventilate for at least a day, probably 2 days, and I think it would still be very dangerous, for the reasons mentioned by Robert Faurisson. In an American gas chamber, there is only one victim. The chamber is filled with ammonia, which is able to circulate all around the body and penetrate all parts of his clothing, skin, hair, etc. This would never be true of thousands of bodies in railway cars.  I think Faurisson is right about this. Every time you removed a body, gas would escape from the body below, even days later, even if you squirted ammonia over the top layer.
CARLOS 


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Sun, Dec 27, 2009 at 10:33 PM



Carlos Porter has flunked the SANITY Test. Bye-bye, Carlos.

FPBerg
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On Sun, Jan 3, 2010 at 11:56 AM, Robert Faurisson wrote:

Dear Mr Porter,

Thank you very much. I am so overworked that unfortunately I cannot reiterate here what I have said and written and shown with pictures so many times perhaps in English and certainly in French. As soon as you have read the 47 operations of the "Procedure Check List" (15 July 1958, revised 22 October 1975) of the Baltimore Penitentiary gas chamber (same model as in the 30s and 40s) and seen that impressive gas chamber as I saw it myself, you understand that to execute one man with HCN is a horribly difficult problem. Nothing to compare with a delousing or disinfection or disinfestation gas chamber for clothing or for the fumigation of a room, a building, a ship, etc., by a team of "exterminators" (American word).

Therefore an execution of thousands of human beings in any room would have ended up in a catastrophe. For days and days it would have been a terrible problem to get those poisoned bodies out of the room. There certainly  would never have been a second execution!

Among the easy solutions to kill thousands of people in Auschwitz I, for one, remember having mentioned this one: knowing what a Polish winter is, at night you simply put the inmates outside and naked; the next morning you pick up the dead bodies.

It has been a pleasure for me to read your stuff about the whole question. As I see it, you received from Fritz Berg nearly the same treatment I received from him. As I did myself you kept your temper and he lost his. Congratulations.  RF 

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Le 2/01/10 8:23, « carlos porter » <
carloswporter@yahoo.es> a écrit :

I was very surprised and pleased to hear from you and I hope you are well. 

Thank you very much for you kind remarks. I have published the entire change under: 


Actually, in my view, you are both right. 

He is correct that IF the Nazis had wished to "gas people", THEN that is the way they would have done it. 

You are quite correct that it still would not work. It would kill them, of course, but it would never be safe or efficient. 

So back to the drawing board for the mass murderers. 

I will go even further, and I think you will agree. Nobody would ever try to kill millions of people with cyanide gas in any form, because it is too unpredictable, too dangerous, and too uncertain. If you want to kill people, there are much easier ways to do it. Why bother with all these Rube Goldberg contraptions?  There are other gases that are far safer and more effective (Why not phosgene? Works in the open air, even if they don't notice they've been gassed, and even if it doesn't work at once, they can still die of heart failure a day later. If not, just try again). 

Cyanide, and, most particularly, cyanide gas, seems to kill by treachery, often when you least expect it. Other gases are more predictable. But still, to me, gas is not an effective means of mass murder.

The most obvious method is simply to shoot people in the back of the head, the method preferred by our good friends and allies, the Communists, and they are the world's past masters. That is obvious. Shoot them, bury them. Then build a highway or something over the burial site. Or better yet, as was done during the Spanish Civil War, shoot them on the beach at low tide, let the tide come in, and presto! No fuss, no muss. Feed the fish. 
A nuotare con i pesci, as the Italians would say.  

Or suffocate them? There's no air after a while anyway, if they're all inside, 2,000 people, crammed together? Who needs a gas? After all, if we hate them so much, why bother making them comfortable at great risk and inconvenience to ourselves? 

Another objection, to me, one of the most obvious, is that the Germans are decent people and would simply never do something like that. But I know it's not an argument. 

Mr Berg is obviously very frustrated. He is not the only one, but it is a mistake to let it show, particularly when dealing with one's friends. We must be like Cyrano de Bergerac. Cool, calm, collected, witty, even at our own expense, then... "When I end the refrain... Thrust home!" 

I am a bit shocked that he would practically assault you physically. I wonder what his problem is? A strange person. 

Best wishes, 
CARLOS 


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